Tuesday, May 23, 2006

Murder capitals

In South Africa, I live in Cape Town, the country’s murder capital. In England, I live in Nottingham, the country’s murder capital.

I wonder if there’s any connection?


Blogger JP said...

Move to Jamaica and be done with it.

10:23 am  
Blogger kyknoord said...

There is now.

10:39 am  
Blogger Caroline said...

Are you trying to tell us something?

mr oydk ???

10:47 am  
Blogger nyasha said...

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12:06 pm  
Blogger nyasha said...

Nomad, are you by any chance suicidal without really being aware of it? get yourself checked before you end up pushing daisies.
ok, on a serious note now, we had been thinking about relocating to CT, but we will have to RE-study that possibility now that you mention it. Blimey!

12:07 pm  
Blogger Ben said...

As Swiss Toni has said over at my place, that's not the Nottingham I know. And in any case there are ten times more murders in London.

12:58 pm  
Blogger BUDDESS said...

I leave you alone for a while and then you come up with this. I promise I won't stay away so long again..... hhahaaahhha
I missed you too much anyway....

1:07 pm  
Blogger Reluctant Nomad said...

JP: It’s sunny there and their bananas aren’t diseased yet, so maybe a good idea. But, my being a batty boy may not bode well for my future well-being.

Kyknoord: I wonder if it’s causal?

Alan, Alan, quite extraordinary
How does your odd life go?
With murder and mayhem
And gunfights all over the show.

Coffee addict: Not daisies, thank you, pansies! I didn’t realise you were thinking or relocating there. How come? It may no be the safest place in the world but those crime statistics can be misleading. While not perfectly safe, a lot of the crime, especially murder, happens in specific areas. So no need to suddenly revise your plans.

Ben: I agree, it’s not like the Nottingham I know. While I don’t make a habit of walking around some of the rougher areas like St Anne’s, I can’t say that I’ve ever felt unsafe here. Perhaps, like Cape Town, the violent crime is very area-specific – the stats are true but give an untrue picture of the place?

Buddess: welcome back to he ‘real’ world. :-)

4:02 pm  
Blogger Alan said...

The main connection I can see is that you have been in both cites for some time. Could it be your infulence that is driving up the murder rate ? Or are you a closet serial killer ?

5:41 pm  
Blogger rhino75 said...

According to my Mum, Reading is the murder capital of England. Though she may just think that after watching too much Newsroom Southeast. Nottingham is lovely. Is Yates' Wine Lodge still there? LOL

7:58 pm  
Blogger griff said...

Joburg is country se murder capital jou aap.

8:11 pm  
Blogger Reluctant Nomad said...

alan: I'm not in the closet. :-)

rhino: Yates's is still here but can't say I frequent there too often.

griff: Jy's die aap - read the report carefully and you'll see that it's Cape Town:

Per capita, attempted murder is greatest in Cape Town (1 in 879 people), and Johannesburg (1 in 954)

Per capita, the murder rate is highest in Cape Town (1 in every 1224) and Johannesburg (1 in every 1332)

Well, those are the most recent figures I found, if you have more recent ones that say differently, show me.

8:24 pm  
Blogger nyasha said...

we have been thinking about the possibility of moving over for some time now. I visited Cape Town in the fall of 2003 and fell in love with it all. We have been wanting to leave this country and we thought Cape Town would be a good idea. I told better-half about your post (signs of CBS...) and he told me that he had come across an article on BBC newsforum and the one comment that stayed with him was the following:
"I lived in South Africa from 1975 til 2001. Moving back to the UK I gave up a business and great lifestyle. You live with steel bars across your windows and security gates across your doors. I knew 7 people who were murdered and dozens who were hijacked. Lifestyle here is as dull as the weather but I don't need to carry a gun or look over my shoulder everywhere I go. Until violent crime is reduced, and it is getting worse, its economy will suffer due to the number of educated people who leave." written by someone living in Derby....
what are the odds!!!

9:40 pm  
Blogger Vitor said...

whoa! and i think it's bad some dude stole my cell phone and showed me a knife...

by the way nomad, any luck finding your friends in Arraiolos?

9:52 pm  
Blogger Reluctant Nomad said...

There are quite a lot of people that feel that way but there are much more who don't. Those who stay and have no intention of leaving don't have any illusions about the crime problems but the vast majority don't live like that. I know that none of my friends and family in Cape Town do. The are lots of structural problems with the economy with big differences between the haves and have-nots but its been growing very strongly for many years now. Personally, I have no qualms about going there at all but I'm South African so there is much more to the place than just the beauty and other attractions. As a foreigner, you are rightly more cautious. But, having said that, there are many that move there and love it.

Read this blog from time to time. Also, read this article for a balanced perspective. There is lots more to read, of course.

The trouble with recent or, even, not so recent expats who left because of their concerns about the country is that they are often very homesick and are doing their best to justify their reasons for having left.

10:04 pm  
Blogger Reluctant Nomad said...

vitor: count yourself lucky then! :-) Not tried finding them yet but will do soon. Cheers

10:06 pm  
Blogger andrea said...

Canada's onetime murder capital (Abbotsford, B.C.) is deep in the heart of the bible belt. I wonder if there's a ny connection *there*?

12:09 am  
Blogger Rob7534 said...

It just proves your a man who likes to take risks, and knows all the best cities have the highest murder capital rates!

7:41 am  
Blogger ChittyChittyBangBang! said...

Further to the comment.
South Africa may not the safest place in the world, I know for a fact there are worse places to live than South Africa, and especially Cape Town. The BBC comment is rather stereotypical and although not untrue, there are more and more ppl who can say the opposite. For a balanced view, I think one should rather speak to the ppl who still live here rather than those who had left.
Stats are all good and well, but there are lots more "beneath" the stats that warrants investigation.
I am obviously biased living here, and although life is not perfect it is not that bleak either.
(Btw, the SA economy... booming right now and predictions are it can only get better)

9:19 am  
Blogger Frog with a Blog said...

I'd kill to live in Cape Town.

10:50 am  
Blogger nyasha said...

Nomad, thanks for the info. We will let you know once we make up our minds about relocating :)

12:48 pm  
Blogger Tammy said...

They never did find Jack the Ripper..............

12:54 am  
Anonymous xmichra said...

now whos door is more likely to have a police man knocking..huh??? hehe...

4:11 am  
Anonymous hans said...

I lived in Durban, its not the murder capital of SA as the statiticians get killed.

9:42 am  
Blogger Babsbitchin said...

I loved Alan's comment about the the serial killer in the closet and you Nomad, came back with a curt,"I'm not IN the closet. ROFL!!
I have almost always lived in the U.S. murder capitol, the District of Columbia. Anywhere I've lived in down south it seemed to be run amuck and shootings every couple of days.The answer is: You like to live the city life!

12:31 pm  
Blogger Pisces Iscariot said...

You should try living in New Zealand where they die of boredom and terminal delusions of grandeur.

2:55 am  
Blogger Barnze said...

Never been to Cape Town but here in Nottingham things ain't as bad as the press makes out,Shit but not as.

2:01 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nottingham isn't dangerous at all. The British media are hysterical in the way they exaggerate.

Actually, contrary to what someone said, South Africa's murder rate has been dropping for years now.

8:50 pm  

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